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It's Christmas time again and that means we'll be seeing the nativity scene with "baby Jesus". So, if the Trinitarian view is to be taken seriously, that means this baby was supposed to be God, right? This begs some rather interesting questions...
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The answer to your questions are yes. Jesus had to be feed, changed, and burped. If he sassed his parents they had the right to take him to the rabbis for punishment. The bible is very clear in Philippians 2:6-8 that Jesus emptied himself of his divine attributes to become a man. Also in Luke 2:52 it says that "Jesus grew in wisdom and stature" For Jesus to be able to "grow" he must have started with less then full knowledge.
So in other words God grew in wisdom and stature, how does that work? How can God grow in wisdom? If thats the case then we are all potentially God as we are all capable of learning and growing. The whole story/idea of Jesus in the orthodox sense is a nonsense and completely unnecessary for us to live spiritually aware lives.
Lohitaksha(Sunday 14th of December 2008 09:09:43 AM)
Adam was a lump of earth into which the Hebrew deity breathed his own breath (spirit), as are you and I. Your Jesus character was likewise animated.
Nothing special.
Genesis 2:7 allows for no incorporeal entity to survive the separation of matter and divine breath. No soul, no Jewish afterlife ... the end.
According to Paul, Jesus was raised from the dead (passive voice), his matter and the Hebrew deity's divine breath reunited. Jesus wasn't there to do it himself. He was dead.
Nothing special.
Lohitaksha(Sunday 14th of December 2008 08:27:33 AM)
Adam was a lump of earth into which the Hebrew deity breathed his own breath (spirit), as are you and I. Your Jesus character was likewise animated.
Nothing special.
Genesis 2:7 allows for no incorporeal entity to survive the separation of matter and divine breath. No soul, no Jewish afterlife ... the end.
According to Paul, Jesus was raised from the dead (passive voice), his matter and the Hebrew deity's divine breath reunited. Jesus wasn't there to do it himself. He was dead.
Nothing special.
middlekk(Sunday 14th of December 2008 08:52:56 AM)
Of course, Adam was just a myth. There was no "real" Adam, any more than there was a "real" Jesus.
Or a "real" Yahweh/Allah, for that matter.
Or a real Ea, Ra, Shiva, Krishna, Zeus, Thor, Apollo, Horus, Mithras, and on and on and on.
If you're arguing for your deity by arguing against another, that's a losing argument. Because there's equivalent evidence for all deities, which is none.
Lohitaksha(Sunday 14th of December 2008 09:08:33 AM)
That was meant for SirTheist
I'll repost it.
Lohitaksha(Sunday 14th of December 2008 07:41:12 AM)
Just imagine Mamma Mary: When are you going to find a nice Jewish girl and settle down? I want grandchildren.
You're not one of "those", are you? Who is this "beloved" disciple, anyway?
middlekk(Sunday 14th of December 2008 07:45:32 AM)
I really do question Jesus' "orientation".
He never married, hung around with not one, but 12 guys. Even his followers say he never slept with a woman.
Did you know that there is an incredible rise in the prevalence of anal sex among Christian teens? It seems that they believe that anal sex isn't "intercourse" as defined in the bible.
Hmm, I wonder who else might have had a LOT of anal sex with his "followers".
Jesus must have been a pretty, pretty boy.
Lohitaksha(Sunday 14th of December 2008 09:00:59 AM)
It was never my intention to question Jesus' orientation, but to highlight his Jewish mother's concern that she had a 30 year old "only son" not producing progeny :)
There is no homosexuality, as we know it, in the Bible. Young men may have messed around with each other before marriage, as they do in all cultures which separate the sexes, but they formed no special social category.
Leviticus considers it shameful to treat another Jewish male with the same condescension as one would a woman.
